Most big cities, unless you’re in the South, tend to lean pretty Democratic. So the results you might expect when comparing rally sizes for each party’s candidates for president will obviously reflect that.

But you don’t generally get to compare the two appearing in the exact same arena at two different times. The actual volume of people is as easy to estimate — the difference, anyway — as it might be to see how many neighbors show up for your steak barbecue this weekend and how many come to your vegan steam-off the following weekend in the same backyard.

But that’s exactly what happened with Kamala Harris and Donald Trump in Philadelphia. Both appeared at Temple University’s Liacouras Center, Trump in June and Harris on Tuesday.

The difference was stark.

Even if we just look at the side-by-side pictures of the two events (helpfully provided by the Harris campaign), volume alone shows at least a third more people at the Harris rally than the Trump one.

There is a floor section, a second-level section, and an upper deck in the Center. Harris’ photo shows her event filled to capacity, while Trump’s turnout left the entire upper deck empty.

Like, crickets up there, MAYBE.

And unlike the Trump campaign, Harris doesn’t have paid attendees or vet people before they come in to make sure they’re supporters. Also unlike Trump, Harris tends to see people stay for the whole event, rather than leaving like Trumpers do after 20 minutes when they realize they’re just at the same exact show as he always puts on.

The Philly stop was big for Kamala, since it was her first appearance with her running mate, Tim Walz. Walz has already proven to be FAR more likeable than Trump’s running mate, JD Vance.

In fact, Vance held a rally in South Philadelphia the same day as Harris’ event, and got similar results that he saw with Trump back in June. One reporter characterized going to both the Vance rally and the Harris/Walz rally in the same day as akin to “leaving a bitter divorced man meet-up and going straight to a Taylor Swift concert.”

Ouch.

Check out the pictures yourself: